so yeah i figured it out lmao i didnt have a disk come with it so i had to download the newest version of the download from the site which is posted on here a few times and from this person so hey that works i then had to unzip my download which was awesome you should have it unzip onto your desktop labeled as english open that folder copy everything into your thumb disk containing the chip that i feel like i could break at any moment and then you should be able to atleast have the damned prgram you need to even use your r4 on your ds some more people loveingly spoke of how to download games to it just download the game and place it in a games folder you make onto your thumb disk there ya go i dumbed it up for you lack of grammer and all

thank you for all your help i was able to piece it together one post at a time lmao